Don't think I enjoyed my time at Govan High, who did but I remember the english teacher Johnny Duncan, Jock Reiburn (maths), who was strict but gave me a good basic knowledge of algebra which stood me in good stead for my future in engineering. Even having a "piece" thrown from the window was an adventure would it be "butter"and sugar or Jam what a treat! Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. Moore Park (Glasgow University Library, Special Collections, Dougan Collection, 1870), OS 25 inch Scotland, 1892-1905 (Moore Park), "Glasgow, Govan, Moorepark Housing Estate", Gender and Political Identities in Scotland, 1919-1939, Ian Jack: Problem Families (review of 'From Moorepark to Wine Alley: The Rise and Fall of a Glasgow Housing Scheme' by Sean Damer), Debate: Housing and Local Government (Scotland), Poverty, deprivation and development in working class communities, Photo of Benburb F.C. Henry (Harry) Knop was born in Govan in 1902, he married Susan Bowie in 1924, they had at least 5 children; Harriet, Frederick, Arthur, Helen and Henry, Harry Knop died in 1976. In this way they dispelled the idea of the workers being "work-shy" and also wanted to illustrate the long-term viability of the yards. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. I really like the big Co-op department store and Woolworths on Langlands Road. Helen Dunlop and I have kept in touch all these years, she is only one month younger than me and lived across the street, therefore we have known each other all of our lives. In 1136, when Glasgow Cathedral was formally consecrated, King David I (112453) gave to the See the lands of Partick and also of the church at Govan (on opposite sides of the River Clyde), which became a prebend of Glasgow. I have memories of buying penny and thrupny canes there to make a bow 'n arrows. I don't like to think what might have happened if they had been discovered.''. 25 bus to the Gladstone Gospel Hall at the corner of Golspie St and Logie St. Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. Then the place just went to pot. Small things eh? NGR Description Centred NS55416 65081. Moorepark is a small area in the Scottish city of Glasgow. [15], With Morris Pollok as its first Provost, the Burgh and its Commissioners ensured that during the next 48 years Govan became a well-equipped, modern town. 100m Freshair Salon . I was so focussed what was in front of me, I never looked behind me and I disappeared over the edge. Very happy days. In the cace of Easterhouse it was the various interested parties of the Eastethoude Community Group who decided to get the authorities to tske notice of their plight by directly intervening their own affairs. The lack of house building was not only an added threat to the existing shops and services but also to community life which was struggling just to survive because of the lack of houses. I remember the baths and went there every Friday, I also remember playing in the street and when the coalman came my mum and I would follow him with a pram and pick up any coal that fell of the lorry. Pieces 'n Jam and a Bottle of Water climb on top of a Air Raid Shelter and have a picnic, Aye happy days and not a Tablet or Mobile phone in site. 7 Markus, 1993, p. 163 Govan young team. The area was parodied in the BBC sitcom Rab C. Nesbitt, though episodes were usually filmed elsewhere. We would also put on a concert in one of the vacant stores that Helen's brother and his wife had access to, the women would make hot peas and vinegar and listen to us all singing and dancing out of sync, but what memories, what sheer fun, I wouldn't trade it for the world today. A later rebuilding was begun in 1884 and was opened 19 May 1888.[11][45]. Years ago Govan was a brilliant shopping place. I always thought it was a listed building. I attended Notre Dame School and Jackie told customers this to reassure them of the standard of my handwriting! We had and still have such a loving family even although our parents and grandparents have passed, but Govan made us that way because it was a great community and you knew who your neighbours were. I was born in Southern General 1971, lived in 1 Elder Street with my mum Ina Quinn and dad Peter Quinn, brothers and sister. The most famous of these housing estates is Moorepark, sometimes referred to jocularly as "The Wine Alley"[22] - this area was named by The Independent newspaper in April 1994 as one of the worst areas in Britain, with drug abuse being a widespread problem and unemployment standing at nearly 30% (up to three times the national average at the time). My great grandfather lived at 67 Garmouth Street with his 3 daughters. However, as soon as Bishop Loch got permission to build, they immediately decided to cancel the hotel, and double the amount of private houses to a 1,000. Mind you, the mice we lifted them out of a glass tank by the tail then put them in thick brown bags of thinnish white boxes for their journey home and I'm convinced most would have chewed through and escaped within minutes of leaving the shop. My father was called up at the beginning of the War and my mother died when he was in Europe, I went to live with my grandparents on Wee Logie Street, I was 2years old and spent the rest of my childhood there until 1956 when I came to Canada with my grandmother to live with my uncle (my mum's young brother). It was great reading all the stories. Its cells were just as grim but did not seem to deter the many local villains who frequented them on a regular basis. Best people you could meet. Long range video and still cameras were set up at both locations so that the daily activities of the dealers could be filmed and monitored. Much later, after years of drink and drugs abuse, I thought about all the time I had wasted and I realised that if I was going to seriously change my life than I had to reeducate myself into a new way of thinking The Moorepark area is served by Ibrox subway station on the Glasgow Subway system,[15] which is located on the corner of Copland Road and Woodville Street. I'm sure many of these places will have been demolished or renamed but it would be great to hear from anyone who knows of the family or can provide any more details. [17][18], A prominent feature of the Govan landscape was the Doomster or Moot Hill, which stood near the river, north of the present Govan Cross. Marconi Electronic Systems and its Marconi Marine unit were sold to British Aerospace in 1999 to form BAE Systems. This was around 1954ish. It was absolutely awesome growing up in Govan, lots of shops, such as; Galbraiths, Dands Bobby's, David's butchers, BrotherSoft paper shop, modern book shop, and Woolworths, we had a great wee doctors surgery on Langlands Road, Peacocks bakery, Nicholls store and Amey's cafe. Darners second criticism was that the Tenants Association in the scheme had no local leadership or community say over who came into the scheme. Jocelyn Square. It was just before I packed in this job that I met Sean Damer when he came to our house to some of the family in 1974. The church, situated at the west end of the village of Govan, and about 100 yards from the Clyde, was built in 1826, and is a plain structure containing 1096 sittings: the . I was born in 1946 at 16 Elderpark Street, I had 3 brothers; Harry, Robert and Ronnie, we all went to Greenfield Primary school, Harry and Robert also went to Govan High School and we also went to 168th Boys Brigade and lifeboys. I can see from the various pieces of information I have obtained that the Leddy's lived in various places in Govan including 61 Victoria Street, 10 John Street, 76 White Street and 11 Logie Street. A Gannett Company. I loved it there we could watch the ships being built and then launched from the bedroom window. Used to have a friend called Theresa Moody who died quite young. Loved going into Amy's Cafe after coming out of Mackays for my Easter outfits. we were easy pleased in those days. I was born 23 Elder Street, Govan in 1943. I believe that the buiding was demolished due to a structural problem that would not be able to be easily remedied. No1seems2care. Although Govan was the stated setting for the show, episodes were seldom filmed there. Sources Little did we no that years later I would be living above that very shop. When they checked the mileage they realise it was being used for much longer trips of up to 600 miles a time. Strange thing is that we carried passengers on some days, these passengers had a dinner on board while we discharged the cargo with most never knowing what was happening. We used to listen to all the records being played from Munleys on a Saturday morning. We do not pre-moderate or monitor readers comments appearing on our websites, but we do post-moderate in response to complaints we receive or otherwise when a potential problem comes to our attention. Beforesentencing, judge Lord Caplan told Burnside: ''You have been a significant dealer in a dreadful trade and the courts have seen the havoc it causes among young persons. One summer, I walked to the steamie and managed to get some photos of it. Nu acum. Post moderation is undertaken full-time 9am-6pm on weekdays, and on a part-time basis outwith those hours. JEFF TORRINGTON Singing: No, No, Yuppie, Yuppie NO! We are the Eskimoes. and education and learning came into my thoughts. :bbpd: Finally, Darners last thoughts on a solution to Mooreparks spiralling problems were that it could be found in Community Planning. Anyone remember the prego cafe and who ran it? Gran was Annie Murphy but her dad died when she was 4 and her mother remarried John Johnston and went on to have a huge number of children - and as we research the family, we keep finding more. Went back to show someone the building, but it was gone. It was fantastic staying there, 3 family's stayed in each cottage. We then moved to a cottage at 112 Golspie Street down the lane, I always remember walking home down the lane, at the bottom of the lane we had a very large wooden gate, which we had to open to get in. Good times we had, wonder where they all are now and if they remember me. We had 4 Cinemas that we could go to and the swimming baths and all the dykes round the back to jump and all the different games we played outdoors until the street lights went on and Dad shouted out the window it was time to come up the stairs. I lived at 2 Robert street, Govan, we moved there from Tower Street, Kinning Park, I went to Harmony Row school (1959/60) then moved up to Hills Trust primary and after that went to Broomloan Road secondary school, that was shut down and we were moved to Govan High comprehensive around 1967/1968. Log In. Thus, the major failing of any community planning is its inability to understand this relationship between the community and authority in detail and in an objective manner. Worst of all were the problems relating to the 759 flats and maisonettes in the Hutchestown Area E phase at Crown Street. British Aerospace, established by the same act, was privatised in 1981. I also went to the Glasgow City Mission which was in Kintra Street, how I loved my childhood. [23], It was parodied by the BBC sitcom Rab C. Nesbitt. During the two-week surveillance every addict who called at Burnside's flat for drugs was then arrested by the team and questioned. 1 Damer, 1989, (passim), Life in theWine Alley The partnership works by: Then there was the shake the blanket with my older sisters and friends my turn wasn't coming fast enough so as usual I was whining so they gave me my turn and shake the blanket shake the blanket 1-2-3 they lifted me in the air and let the blanket go results bleeding nose and they all got a right telling off. My Granny, Cassie Donaghey stayed at 9 Orkney Street, Govan where I went at weekends and for holidays (Yeah from Drumchapel). He was able to give police precise details of the drug operation Burnside was running and the names of his associates. I was born in 1952 and lived in Golspie St until I was 10 when we moved to Garthamlock. I spent 18 months there before being released on a three-year parole where I took a job in the local Cleansing Department as a midgy-man. 199310 Scottish Charity No. ), the street was a dead end because a school had burnt down. Finalists in the Intermediate Cup 1929-30, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moorepark,_Glasgow&oldid=1142353497, Short description is different from Wikidata, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 1 March 2023, at 23:16. This is a 12th-century Latin source, but one believed to be based on much earlier materials; it records a place near Dumbarton Rock named Ouania. [31], In 1999, GEC's Marconi Marine division purchased the yard when Kvrner announced its departure from the shipbuilding industry. Then the area - close to Rangers home at Ibrox - had a reputation for deprivation and poverty having been built in the 1930s to relieve overcrowding in the Gorbals. I went to St Gerard's and I loved the kids there they were poor but happy. Loving your stories, my nana was born at 15 Elder Street, Govan in 1893. Housing Estate (Modern) Site Name Glasgow, Govan, Moorepark Housing Estate. My grandparents on my mother's side were McElhinneys and attended Plantation Church while my dad's side and myself attending our Lady and St Margaret's Chapel. Delete. I learned to play tennis in the Elder Park which stood by me for I played the game for the next 60 years wherever I landed. Nothing but grateful for my early Govan years. who originated from the Helen Street area of Govan, but are now based further west at Shieldhall. For about a decade that shop stood empty and it broke my heart. Alley & Vine will be ready for outdoor and indoor dining once allowed, but until then, customers can order online or by phone for takeout and curbside pickup. Her name was Mary Murray. I was born In Cowie Street, Kinning Park and as Pauline noted earlier there was indeed a pub on it's corner called Grants Bar. USA. the 550 tenancies available, only 33 (16%) were identifiably from Govan itself. I'll do a bit of investigating. 11 a.m.-8 p.m. Monday . Does anyone remember my dad Iain Campbell and mother Margaret Marshall born 1921 and 1922? This was the catalyst that led local Govanites into despising the peoph of Moorepark, and considering them as different and alien. [10], Not much is known about any medieval village that may have surrounded the church until 1454 when it is recorded that whole houses, barns and mills in the village were brought down by a great flood. Curtis Govan, 23, was convicted in July of rape, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, aggravated indecent assault, terroristic threats, unlawful restraint, simple assault, resisting arrest,. Moorepark was demolished and converted into an industrial estate in the 1990s, along with a nearby contemporary development at Teucharhill which had a similar tough reputation. Create New Account. They suggested that the hill may have been a 12th-century Norman motte. My mother was born at 68 Harmony Row in 1924, when she was about 10 she was sent to Dand's Drapers on Langlands Road to buy thread for a neighbour and got her finger caught in the door which resulted in losing the tip of it which gave her years of pain, on a lighter note on the subway to hospital she had to pace up and down with pain which resulted in her leaving the subway with her pockets jingling. Our young sister was married in St. Anthony's years later. Somehow the government cannot understand that external improvements can only benefit any dilapidated area by not only improving its external image but also by giving the local residents a sense of Well-Being. This latter kingdom, established in the aftermath of the Viking siege and capture of Alt Clut by Vikings from Dublin in AD 870, created the sandstone sculptures known today as the Govan Stones. Govan Church was rebuilt in 1762, and again in 1826. In recent years it has seen major improvements with the building of Glasgow Science Centre and the Glasgow Arc, better known as the Squinty Bridge. HAPPY TIMES. Ther were many menswear shops such as Jackson the Tailor and John Collier. Somewhere, communication had broken down so completely, that while the latter felt powerless to do anything about the situation, the remedies of the former only made the situation worse. The barbers shop was called "Knop & Joyce" and was at 26 Langlands Road, it opened in 1929 and Harry Knop lived in the next close at 34 Langlands Road. I was born and brought up in Drumoyne. Community service. For Margaret Gibson - I saw that you lived in Kintra Street until 1960 and wondered if you knew my grandmother Mary McGill/Johnston who lived at 110 Kintra Street in 1956. I've looked at several sites like this, in search of a memory or a photo and never found a thing - yet it was a Govan institution. Lesbian actress Raven-Symone showed off her high top fade and her unique backpack at the Los Angeles Premiere of Fox's 'Empire at ArcLight Cinemas Cinerama Dome in Hollywood, California. I was born and lived in Harmony Row, 1960, before moving to Drumchapel in 1961. We visited Govan in recent years and is not the same place anymore. The writer on housing problems, T. A. Markus, wondered why many important questions were never asked in the planning process. I remember my mum and dad and telling me how Govan was full of works, tenements, shops and pubs and how it was a vibrant place, this was very different from 1970s Govan that I grew up in, instead it was like a town after the blitz, I remember large areas of spare ground where the tenements and shops once stood, I remember playing in the old derelict tenements and works and in the rubble of demolished tenements, in the old tenements in Orkney Street we pretended to pour pints in the old Albert Bar. Over the years the Wine Alley had been severely neglected by the council and in the 1980s like a lot of places in Britain people were faced with high unemployment, drug abuse and crime, it continued to get worse and the homes were in such a bad state due to continued council neglect and lack of investment that they were demolished by 1995 and the people scattered to the 4 corners of Govan and beyond.http://www.acumfaegovan.com @AlanJParks" Daddy Boyd who used to wear his academic gowns on official occasions which I to this day found hard to understand as none of the other teachers ever wore them. They also discovered in the early days that one gang member was driving about in hired cars. [4] In 1864, Govan gained burgh status, and was the fifth-largest burgh in Scotland. I considered that I did a real job and that what he did for a living was nonsense. I can't remember what we wrote, but we were very busy. Where was this democratic, progressive authority when it built the shambolic Gorbals tower block scheme? 2 Contact Us. 3.75/4 3.75 / 4 (0 reviews) Staff Knowledge & Friendliness 4/4. Ah! I used to walk up Neptune Street between the two grandparents homes, but even that seems to have been cut off. It was a Magical childhood play area, the closestairs were a Pirate Ship; Hospital; Wee Shop; School, aye in the 1950's we used our imagination rather than computers to stop us being bored! I was born at 17 Holmfaulhead Drive, Linthouse in 1947 and went to Elderpark School.
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